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		<title>By: Fibes</title>
		<link>http://sustainablesavannah.com/transportation/jaywalking-crackdown-whats-the-goal/comment-page-1/#comment-1197</link>
		<dc:creator>Fibes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In past months I&#039;ve noticed the new &quot;stop for pedestrians&quot; signs pop up all over Savannah. Unlike London, California, Oregon and a few other places where I&#039;ve experienced drivers stopping all the time at croswalks, we do not have that here. Add to the fact that these signs are giving pedestrians false security that drivers will stop they fly out from behind live oaks into the street without a glance left or right. The City has put people at risk by not providing signage to &quot;look both ways&quot; at these very same intersections or by ticketing drivers for not stopping. Either way, they are battling with windmills while the rest of us get beaten down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In past months I&#8217;ve noticed the new &#8220;stop for pedestrians&#8221; signs pop up all over Savannah. Unlike London, California, Oregon and a few other places where I&#8217;ve experienced drivers stopping all the time at croswalks, we do not have that here. Add to the fact that these signs are giving pedestrians false security that drivers will stop they fly out from behind live oaks into the street without a glance left or right. The City has put people at risk by not providing signage to &#8220;look both ways&#8221; at these very same intersections or by ticketing drivers for not stopping. Either way, they are battling with windmills while the rest of us get beaten down.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Smith</title>
		<link>http://sustainablesavannah.com/transportation/jaywalking-crackdown-whats-the-goal/comment-page-1/#comment-1167</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 19:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son and I visited Savannah GA to tour SCAD during the week of May 19-22. My son was ticketed for J-walking while on his way to an appointment with SCAD administrators, he was walking with another SCAD student who was not ticketed because she did not have her identification with her...so a bit of advice if you are stopped, don&#039;t admit to having any ID! Did I mention that the officer chuckled when he was told by my son that he was visiting from out of state?? Told my son the ticket was &quot;no big deal&quot;, guess the joke was on us! Is there a bit of profiling going on here?? Guess if you can afford to be going to SCAD then you can afford the ticket...Welcome to Savannah??? I think not! As far as hurting tourism, you bet! I know that I personally spent a lot less in those gift shops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son and I visited Savannah GA to tour SCAD during the week of May 19-22. My son was ticketed for J-walking while on his way to an appointment with SCAD administrators, he was walking with another SCAD student who was not ticketed because she did not have her identification with her&#8230;so a bit of advice if you are stopped, don&#8217;t admit to having any ID! Did I mention that the officer chuckled when he was told by my son that he was visiting from out of state?? Told my son the ticket was &#8220;no big deal&#8221;, guess the joke was on us! Is there a bit of profiling going on here?? Guess if you can afford to be going to SCAD then you can afford the ticket&#8230;Welcome to Savannah??? I think not! As far as hurting tourism, you bet! I know that I personally spent a lot less in those gift shops.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://sustainablesavannah.com/transportation/jaywalking-crackdown-whats-the-goal/comment-page-1/#comment-1153</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 15:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you really think about how our cities are laid out at this point in time, it becomes more and more obvious that any non-motorized form of transportation is marginalized, pushed off to the side, secondary. While Portland is a relatively friendly city for cyclists, pedestrians, skateboarders, inline skaters, etc - it is obvious that in most parts of the city, the roads are the primary right of way, and primarily cars belong in them. Bicycles must ride as far to the right as safely possible, they must get over to the right to let cars pass, and many people still feel they shouldn&#039;t be in the road at all, pedestrians are not allowed unless crossing, and then only at crosswalks (painted or not). It sends a very clear message that roads are for cars, and the rest of the people, though we&#039;ll allow you some access to the roads, should stay out of the way of the cars.

We used to live in Vilnius, Lithuania. In the city, probably one third of the roads in the main part of the city are car-free, blocked by large planters or bollards or just too narrow to drive on. Every street has sidewalks, many of them almost as large as the streets. One of the main streets through the center of the city was blocked by bollards after 6pm and before 5am, so that no cars were allowed, and especially during the summer, it would be full of people just walking around. In fact, the whole city was full of people just walking around. It felt there like pedestrians had priority. If you came to a crosswalk, without fail, oncoming cars would stop and let you across (before you were in the road). Speed limits were such that in most parts of the city, you never felt endangered by traffic. We lived for a year without a car, and really the only times I wished I had one were when we had to carry large grocery loads on the trolley buses, because it was so easy and pleasant to live without one there. Public transit went everywhere, even out into the country, and has steep discounts for students, veterans, pensioners, disabled. It was such a totally different feeling that we were shocked when we came back to Portland by how impersonal it felt at times, when we could go an entire day and hardly see a single person outside of a car on the roads (depending on where in the city you ended up during the day). A city like Vilnius feels much more human, I think.

Portland is definitely moving that direction, and doing some things really well, but I think we - as most of the U.S. - have a long way to go just in our perception of how the city should be prioritized. It&#039;s not that we should get rid of cars, they are an important part of our lives. However, we need to realize that our cities will be much more livable if people who aren&#039;t in cars feel safe on our streets, and we need to make a noted effort to make that happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you really think about how our cities are laid out at this point in time, it becomes more and more obvious that any non-motorized form of transportation is marginalized, pushed off to the side, secondary. While Portland is a relatively friendly city for cyclists, pedestrians, skateboarders, inline skaters, etc &#8211; it is obvious that in most parts of the city, the roads are the primary right of way, and primarily cars belong in them. Bicycles must ride as far to the right as safely possible, they must get over to the right to let cars pass, and many people still feel they shouldn&#8217;t be in the road at all, pedestrians are not allowed unless crossing, and then only at crosswalks (painted or not). It sends a very clear message that roads are for cars, and the rest of the people, though we&#8217;ll allow you some access to the roads, should stay out of the way of the cars.</p>
<p>We used to live in Vilnius, Lithuania. In the city, probably one third of the roads in the main part of the city are car-free, blocked by large planters or bollards or just too narrow to drive on. Every street has sidewalks, many of them almost as large as the streets. One of the main streets through the center of the city was blocked by bollards after 6pm and before 5am, so that no cars were allowed, and especially during the summer, it would be full of people just walking around. In fact, the whole city was full of people just walking around. It felt there like pedestrians had priority. If you came to a crosswalk, without fail, oncoming cars would stop and let you across (before you were in the road). Speed limits were such that in most parts of the city, you never felt endangered by traffic. We lived for a year without a car, and really the only times I wished I had one were when we had to carry large grocery loads on the trolley buses, because it was so easy and pleasant to live without one there. Public transit went everywhere, even out into the country, and has steep discounts for students, veterans, pensioners, disabled. It was such a totally different feeling that we were shocked when we came back to Portland by how impersonal it felt at times, when we could go an entire day and hardly see a single person outside of a car on the roads (depending on where in the city you ended up during the day). A city like Vilnius feels much more human, I think.</p>
<p>Portland is definitely moving that direction, and doing some things really well, but I think we &#8211; as most of the U.S. &#8211; have a long way to go just in our perception of how the city should be prioritized. It&#8217;s not that we should get rid of cars, they are an important part of our lives. However, we need to realize that our cities will be much more livable if people who aren&#8217;t in cars feel safe on our streets, and we need to make a noted effort to make that happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://sustainablesavannah.com/transportation/jaywalking-crackdown-whats-the-goal/comment-page-1/#comment-1151</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 00:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post! As it turns out, I was recently stopped for jaywalking in Phoenix, AZ. Not long ago, I went carfree when our new light rail system started operating, I&#039;ve been using mass transit and walking alot.  About a month or two ago I was heading home from work, stopped at the crosswalk (there&#039;s a traffic light),I waited for traffic to pass, and even though I had the red light I continued on across the street. Unfortunately I did this right in front of a police officer.  At 39, you kind of forget the rules for WALKING!!!  Anyway, the officer took my information, went back to his patrol vehicle, I&#039;m sitting on the grass waiting for him to come back while his partner watches over me, I could&#039;ve died I was so embarrassed! All I could think was &quot;surely, there must be SOMETHING going on other than a guy crossing the street on his way home from work.&quot;  Long story short, the officer let me go with a warning.  
I fully agree that there should be more enforcement for the people who are in cars, not on foot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post! As it turns out, I was recently stopped for jaywalking in Phoenix, AZ. Not long ago, I went carfree when our new light rail system started operating, I&#8217;ve been using mass transit and walking alot.  About a month or two ago I was heading home from work, stopped at the crosswalk (there&#8217;s a traffic light),I waited for traffic to pass, and even though I had the red light I continued on across the street. Unfortunately I did this right in front of a police officer.  At 39, you kind of forget the rules for WALKING!!!  Anyway, the officer took my information, went back to his patrol vehicle, I&#8217;m sitting on the grass waiting for him to come back while his partner watches over me, I could&#8217;ve died I was so embarrassed! All I could think was &#8220;surely, there must be SOMETHING going on other than a guy crossing the street on his way home from work.&#8221;  Long story short, the officer let me go with a warning.<br />
I fully agree that there should be more enforcement for the people who are in cars, not on foot.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://sustainablesavannah.com/transportation/jaywalking-crackdown-whats-the-goal/comment-page-1/#comment-1150</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 22:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been walking to &amp; from work for more than 10 years in downtown Atlanta.  Long ago I read the relevant GA code:  pedestrians are given the right of way at every intersection--even where the crosswalk is only implied!  That was news to me, and surely would be to most drivers here in GA.  Of course, when I _am_ driving, and come up on a jaywalker, I get annoyed myself, but I _don&#039;t_ go ahead and run them down!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been walking to &amp; from work for more than 10 years in downtown Atlanta.  Long ago I read the relevant GA code:  pedestrians are given the right of way at every intersection&#8211;even where the crosswalk is only implied!  That was news to me, and surely would be to most drivers here in GA.  Of course, when I _am_ driving, and come up on a jaywalker, I get annoyed myself, but I _don&#8217;t_ go ahead and run them down!</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://sustainablesavannah.com/transportation/jaywalking-crackdown-whats-the-goal/comment-page-1/#comment-1149</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 19:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mommy taught me how to look both ways before crossing the street.  I don&#039;t need my taxes spent on police officers doing the same.

As someone who works downtown and commutes 1.5 miles on foot this issue is near to my heart.  Great article.

I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m a fairly new subscriber to this blog so I don&#039;t know if this has been explored in a previous article but I think that the psych/sociological separation of an individual from the &quot;outside world&quot; is a very interesting topic.  It&#039;s relevant to this article in the discussion of autos and their lack of consideration for peds but is also applicable to many other urban issues or problems (road rage, bikes or peds vs. cars, wearing headphones everywhere you go, etc.).

Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mommy taught me how to look both ways before crossing the street.  I don&#8217;t need my taxes spent on police officers doing the same.</p>
<p>As someone who works downtown and commutes 1.5 miles on foot this issue is near to my heart.  Great article.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m a fairly new subscriber to this blog so I don&#8217;t know if this has been explored in a previous article but I think that the psych/sociological separation of an individual from the &#8220;outside world&#8221; is a very interesting topic.  It&#8217;s relevant to this article in the discussion of autos and their lack of consideration for peds but is also applicable to many other urban issues or problems (road rage, bikes or peds vs. cars, wearing headphones everywhere you go, etc.).</p>
<p>Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeB</title>
		<link>http://sustainablesavannah.com/transportation/jaywalking-crackdown-whats-the-goal/comment-page-1/#comment-1148</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 16:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is the high rate of speed that drivers are reaching downtown.  Aside from the danger its ultimately foolish as they just end up waiting at redlights.  With the large amount of on street parking and tree lined boulevards obscuring vision the police need to rigidily enforce speed limits- even when someone is only reaching 45 MPH for 200 feet before they slam on their brakes for a red light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is the high rate of speed that drivers are reaching downtown.  Aside from the danger its ultimately foolish as they just end up waiting at redlights.  With the large amount of on street parking and tree lined boulevards obscuring vision the police need to rigidily enforce speed limits- even when someone is only reaching 45 MPH for 200 feet before they slam on their brakes for a red light.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://sustainablesavannah.com/transportation/jaywalking-crackdown-whats-the-goal/comment-page-1/#comment-1147</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 15:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, I&#039;m just about to write something very similar on Portlandize, regarding the best ways of improving safety in our cities - I agree that we often go about it completely backwards. We tell the most vulnerable road users that they had better just get out of the way of the least vulnerable users, and if they don&#039;t, well, that&#039;s their own fault. The more and more I think about these things, the more I think the automobile industry must have some very deep-rooted connections in politics all over the country. Either that, or they&#039;ve just practiced some amazing advertising skills over the last 60-70 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, I&#8217;m just about to write something very similar on Portlandize, regarding the best ways of improving safety in our cities &#8211; I agree that we often go about it completely backwards. We tell the most vulnerable road users that they had better just get out of the way of the least vulnerable users, and if they don&#8217;t, well, that&#8217;s their own fault. The more and more I think about these things, the more I think the automobile industry must have some very deep-rooted connections in politics all over the country. Either that, or they&#8217;ve just practiced some amazing advertising skills over the last 60-70 years.</p>
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